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		<title>Comment on trigger points by jason</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/trigger-points/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this. Glad you opted for the workshop =).</description>
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		<title>Comment on a resource for burnout prevention by Vincent Truman</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/a-resource-for-burnout-prevention/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent Truman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so brilliant.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so brilliant.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on What if it&#8217;s true? by cat</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/08/09/what-if-its-true/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know exactly how that is! Similar things are being discussed about my own grandmother. Hopefully her body will decide to rest before any of these decisions my own family members have been making actually have o be enforced. However, if they do have to be enforced, i will not be a sudden decision. No one will have to flip a coin. As hard as it will be for the person who has power of attorney, at least it will have been  decided on by the whole family and He or She will not be at a loss. Although I am not offended by you using your own aging grandmother as a satirical example, I am very offended at those using scare tactics as a ploy to gain the elderly vote, just so their party can win. It&#039;s disgusting and intolerable indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know exactly how that is! Similar things are being discussed about my own grandmother. Hopefully her body will decide to rest before any of these decisions my own family members have been making actually have o be enforced. However, if they do have to be enforced, i will not be a sudden decision. No one will have to flip a coin. As hard as it will be for the person who has power of attorney, at least it will have been  decided on by the whole family and He or She will not be at a loss. Although I am not offended by you using your own aging grandmother as a satirical example, I am very offended at those using scare tactics as a ploy to gain the elderly vote, just so their party can win. It&#8217;s disgusting and intolerable indeed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Activist Life by Jeff G</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/this-activist-life/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Victoria.  I never knew the guy, though his voice sounded very familiar.  The TAM program doesn&#039;t deal with sexism directly, but it does really drive home the point that this was a super-macho dude who put a lot of effort into challenging the masculinity of younger activists to push them to take more risks. It&#039;s really amazing to me how this is blatantly discussed, but was not enough to totally discredit him in court as an informer.  Of course, it&#039;s standard behavior for an agent provocateur, a technique with over 150 years of history.  What I found bizarre is how he openly admitted that he did so, with the twisted logic that he was trying to get the guys NOT to do dangerous actions.

That is the most disingenuous bullshit I&#039;ve ever heard out of anyone&#039;s mouth.  Anyone, literally anyone could tell you that if a tough, trusted, older macho guy tells a younger, smaller guy that he&#039;s a wimp if he doesn&#039;t do X, he&#039;s MORE likely to do it, not less.  

The smidgen of sympathy I felt for Darby before was totally gone once I heard him trip over himself to justify this bullying.  

I totally agree that the more important issue isn&#039;t the fact that Darby was a rat-- it&#039;s the toleration of this kind of behavior by people in the movement.  And the blame here falls mostly on men: women and transgendered activists call this stuff out all the time.  I&#039;d be curious to hear Mr. Malik Rahim&#039;s thoughts on this topic.  I don&#039;t mean to make Rahim into the villain-- he&#039;s a real hero to the movement on so many levels and I have tons of respect for his life and work-- but I do think it would be worthwhile for him and others to take to heart the critique you&#039;ve laid out, so that in the future this kind of bully, even a brave, charismatic, highly skilled one, can&#039;t rise to that level of unaccountable leadership and power-- whether he&#039;s an informant or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Victoria.  I never knew the guy, though his voice sounded very familiar.  The TAM program doesn&#8217;t deal with sexism directly, but it does really drive home the point that this was a super-macho dude who put a lot of effort into challenging the masculinity of younger activists to push them to take more risks. It&#8217;s really amazing to me how this is blatantly discussed, but was not enough to totally discredit him in court as an informer.  Of course, it&#8217;s standard behavior for an agent provocateur, a technique with over 150 years of history.  What I found bizarre is how he openly admitted that he did so, with the twisted logic that he was trying to get the guys NOT to do dangerous actions.</p>
<p>That is the most disingenuous bullshit I&#8217;ve ever heard out of anyone&#8217;s mouth.  Anyone, literally anyone could tell you that if a tough, trusted, older macho guy tells a younger, smaller guy that he&#8217;s a wimp if he doesn&#8217;t do X, he&#8217;s MORE likely to do it, not less.  </p>
<p>The smidgen of sympathy I felt for Darby before was totally gone once I heard him trip over himself to justify this bullying.  </p>
<p>I totally agree that the more important issue isn&#8217;t the fact that Darby was a rat&#8211; it&#8217;s the toleration of this kind of behavior by people in the movement.  And the blame here falls mostly on men: women and transgendered activists call this stuff out all the time.  I&#8217;d be curious to hear Mr. Malik Rahim&#8217;s thoughts on this topic.  I don&#8217;t mean to make Rahim into the villain&#8211; he&#8217;s a real hero to the movement on so many levels and I have tons of respect for his life and work&#8211; but I do think it would be worthwhile for him and others to take to heart the critique you&#8217;ve laid out, so that in the future this kind of bully, even a brave, charismatic, highly skilled one, can&#8217;t rise to that level of unaccountable leadership and power&#8211; whether he&#8217;s an informant or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Variation on Matthew 25 by Casey</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/variation-on-matthew-25/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting take indeed. And, unfortunately, there seem to be more goats then sheep these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting take indeed. And, unfortunately, there seem to be more goats then sheep these days.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Activist Life by victoria</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/this-activist-life/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone for your replies.  

@ Jess, part of why i wrote this in the first place was that i had a feeling his sexism, etc wasn&#039;t going to be addressed.  which then leads to a mistaken assumption that folks are pissed at Darby just b/c of his working with the fbi, when, for a lot of us, that was just one more thing to add to the list of problems we had with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone for your replies.  </p>
<p>@ Jess, part of why i wrote this in the first place was that i had a feeling his sexism, etc wasn&#8217;t going to be addressed.  which then leads to a mistaken assumption that folks are pissed at Darby just b/c of his working with the fbi, when, for a lot of us, that was just one more thing to add to the list of problems we had with him.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Activist Life by JessSnark</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/this-activist-life/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>JessSnark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 18:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m here from the Feministe blogaround. 

Wow- interesting to read this. I heard most of the interview (missed the beginning) but had never heard of Darby beforehand. He sounded like a difficult person to work with in general, but I didn&#039;t hear specifics (e.g. anything about sexism) in the interview. Thanks for writing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m here from the Feministe blogaround. </p>
<p>Wow- interesting to read this. I heard most of the interview (missed the beginning) but had never heard of Darby beforehand. He sounded like a difficult person to work with in general, but I didn&#8217;t hear specifics (e.g. anything about sexism) in the interview. Thanks for writing this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Activist Life by Matt</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/this-activist-life/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 03:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>glad you&#039;re standin&#039; up, makin&#039; a statement. (i&#039;ve sent you an email as well). thanks for being here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad you&#8217;re standin&#8217; up, makin&#8217; a statement. (i&#8217;ve sent you an email as well). thanks for being here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Thank an anarchist by Logan</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/thank-an-anarchist/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 07:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks anarchists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks anarchists!</p>
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		<title>Comment on This Activist Life by Logan</title>
		<link>http://vicwelle.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/this-activist-life/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 07:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks V.

I think you are right on target with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks V.</p>
<p>I think you are right on target with this.</p>
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